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Plenty of interesting perspectives here. :thumbup: That's what I'm trying to figure. If folks love it for the most part, I'll have to step back and consider. I hate keyless. It seems soft. Dollars to donuts she can't adjust the clock when the time changes in autumn.

Sure, I'm a dinosaur, but this things suck and are the opposite of progress. I googled them and apparently they make cars harder to steal by hot-wiring but of course easier to steal in other ways. When are engineers going to figure out that a large market segment wants a simpler, more basic...