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All fair points, in an ideal world, yes demotivated guys would be inspired and empowered to do better. IME that's very rarely the case. Either they care or they don't. Do I employ hung over pot heads? Not employed but have had much worse as brash draggers! The wages that you can earn staying...

I suppose I'm a cynic, no one wants to be a groundy, youngsters want to be climbers (fair enough) older guys are doing it because they took a wrong turn somewhere in life, we all know climbers make the best groundsmen. A guy will either be reasonably hard working and conscientious or he won't...

Thing is with groundies, is generally they get rubbish money for a back breaking monotonous job, if they had many skills they wouldn't be doing the job in the first place. Still, if they could sharpen a saw that would be nice....