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Worth making sure 'tis noted...as it happens so rarely. :P ;)

I don't know how or why I failed to see this post, Justin. I was looking through this thread again and discovered it...anyway, you made an excellent point.

You start off with this, "when in doubt of a trees hinge or its integrity", then go right on with this "I fell some tall skinny cottonwood a couple months ago and the hinge had zero effect on steering the tree. Of course that made it painfully obvious as to how little a rope "steers" a tree as I...

That's not a bad reason at all, Al.

:thumbup:

Oh, now that may be just a little hard-nosed, Stig. I know Justin can fell plenty well. Thus, I really wondered under what circumstances he'd feel the need for a tag line...just a straight up tag line...not a restraint line, and not a pull line for a back leaner.

When in doubt about what, precisely?

For sure, Willard...but that's a completely different animal than we've been talking about.

I didn't say anything about negatives, my friend, I just see no advantage...a pull line does absolutely nothing for assuring the tree goes where you want it to...the hinge is the controlling factor there. There surely is a negative, though...it takes longer to set a pull line than it does to...

Well, I totally disagree with that.

Had that covered already :D.

Kahlua in my coffee at lunch?? :D

I usually only switch hands if the body of the saw needs to be off to the left side of my body, as in a bucking or limbing situation. But there are no hard rules in this game, and in specific situations, with awkward working positions, all bet's are off on how I'll "handle" it. :)

Jay, when I back cut from that side, I basically keep my left hand on the side of the handlebar, which puts it on top of the powerhead since the saw is on it's side. When I back cut from the other side, my left hand is on the top of the bar, so it is off to the rear of the powerhead when the...

:lol: No pictures, please...

There's a couple of less-than-perfects in there, if one wanted to look real close :). You're right, I've posted many pics of other faller's work, frequently with humbolt faces. Around these parts, most of the pro cutters use it. Most FS fallers go with the conventional, but it's far from...

I don't post many pics of the ugly ones :D...and there have been some, make no mistake.

Go back and look, Stig. Almost all of my felling cuts are done with a conventional face. Mostly, 'cause I don't like filling my face with saw chips, like tends to happen when you start the sloping cut of a humbolt face :). On the ground, anyway...aloft, I'll usually use the humbolt and cut...

:hammer: I guess not. :D

Butch, for at least half a dozen years, you've asked me the exact same question on multiple occasions, and for as many years I've tried my best to explain the reason...sorry, but I give up. If you still don't get it, then it would appear that your basic understanding of the mechanics of felling...