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    7 Hours Ago
    So true. I have a buddy who does a mowing business and takes it so far as to never call someone (say I give him a number of someone looking for a lawn service). He will only talk to people that get ahold of him, otherwise he says it sets the tone all wrong for the whole thing. Imo that's extreme, but he has a very valid point. You mentioned that the guy is looking for rock bottom prices probably, so when you hand him a legitimate price he realized that you aren't gonna be the dupe to do them for almost nothing, he probably thought to just leave them, as he has obviously done for years at this point. It's funny if you give a bid to someone and then they never get back to you, you can drive by even years later and nothing has happened to the tree. Some people see trees as a problem that needs work, and if they can just leave it, they will. Very common in the rental game. In fact, you need to stay away from rental houses and relators for a few years. They are always looking for the cheapest work, and will attempt to pull one over on you. You want normal working class people. You aren't ready for the super upscale people yet, they will expect complete perfection without the yard even looking like it was walked in. Normal working people understand that this work is dangerous and hard, and will often work with you to come to an agreement over price and work done. They are also very good references, because they know people who need work done too and if you are good they will refer them to you. All you need is the first few jobs, and they will snowball into a full time job if you let it.
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    7 Hours Ago
    The valdotain and the helical are very closely related, almost the same knot. I think the only difference is the termination. I'll get a pic tomorrow am, forgot to get one this afternoon http://storrick.cnc.net/VerticalDevicesPage/AscenderDevices.shtml For some reason I can't post the exact page, but it's under ascender knots and then the valdotain. Now I'm gonna nerd out on dr. Storricks website again, learn something every time I look at it
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    19 Hours Ago
    I don't have a hh, I run a rope wrench, but the hh knot is basically several wraps terminating on the sides, with the top wrap pulled down over the knot (hh users correct me if I'm wrong). The helical is several wraps terminated usually with a bowline, and then they use the tail for a tie in. I use a slipknot for the tie in, several wraps, then the bowline to terminate. It removes all the slack from the lower tie in, and basically all you have left is the knot itself, which is adjustable from the bowline (if it slips or is too tight, you just adjust the bowline knot. Here's a picture of how I run it on a lanyard I use in construction, better pics to follow with better rope. The reason I like it so much is that it's super compact, infinitely adjustable, and since you are tying into the loop part, you don't need spliced or tied eyes. It's definitely not my invention, but I can't remember where I saw it to send you to the proper source. It's the best thing below a wrench too, because it's so short and has little sitback
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    20 Hours Ago
    I can see that, but it is better to have loved....
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    22 Hours Ago
    The hh uses a helical knot I believe (a variation because of the holes). I use it on everything now, absolutely love it, super compact, easy to tie, infinitely adjustable, and don't need spliced eyes.
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    22 Hours Ago
    Why can't you have a dog Butch? They get along with cats fine...
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    1 Day Ago
    Welcome new guys!
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    1 Day Ago
    Tree09 replied to a thread How'd it go today? in Odds and Ends
    Nice truck Peter! Bob, I'm gonna need to see a shop pic if that's the root cellar!
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    1 Day Ago
    I think he meant to drive up the price because that's what unsigned ones go for, and a signed one is a bazillion times cooler :)
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    Tree09 replied to a thread What's on RIGHT NOW! in MBTV
    Hell yeah man
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    4 Days Ago
    Tree09 replied to a thread How'd it go today? in Odds and Ends
    Nice looking shop Bob :)
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    6 Days Ago
    Tree09 replied to a thread How'd it go today? in Odds and Ends
    Lol we need an evil villain petting a cat smiley thing
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    6 Days Ago
    Thx guys. Remember since you don't have the heavy equipment, you can sell just the tree cutting part. Most blue collar guys around here will do the cleanup part for a lower rate. So sell that. That way you don't do the actual hard part, you just come in, make a mess, and leave with your pockets full, and happy customers. There are always around your weaknesses, especially if you think outside the box. Cutting with a pole saw overhead is harder than you think. You won't be able to do any directional falling, at best you will be doing a snap cut. Limbs will fall awkwardly, and bounce all over the place. Rent lift, bomb some limbs down, then drop the spar on some pad logs. Then cut everything up to hand load, and then spend twice the time to rake it all up (dead wood explodes when it lands, and sawdust is a major pain). After you do these few trees, you will understand what you are getting into. Sean, sorry to hear about your friend. I hope everything turns out to be ok. The short falls are usually the ones that get people, because they become complacent. When I was younger, my mom fell out of the back of a ranger, and tore her acl.
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    6 Days Ago
    "you don't need to perfect setup... just get anything" --- yeah but I need all the help from advanced design and technology I can get :) I'm an average climber at best, and that's when I'm back in shape doing it all the time (day job sometimes is really heavy on hours). I am more or less self taught, as you appear to be. I thought the same as you, that I needed the best there was and needed all the fancy gear to climb... Nothing is further from the truth. You need a harness, the money beaver would be the cats ass, but if you don't even know if this is for you then get what you can afford and go with it. You will in time need both kinds of spikes, but for now you can get one or the other and just go with it. They don't have to be titanium alloy, or al or carbon fiber or forged in the fires of mt Vesuvius, they need to be spurs that fit (caddie pads are worth it tho ;) ). I personally climb on a rope wrench, but in doing do i have further complicated everything. You have an extra line to worry about cutting or dropping limbs on, and more gear (foot ascenders go from being handy to necessary, etc) to acquire. If you are just starting, please take my advice and go bare bones, climb doubled rope, possibly even with a Blake's hitch, and practice getting in and moving around trees before you ever think of using a saw in one. And since you are doing this for money, you need to remember that material handling and trucking soon take over as the hard part. The gentleman that got me started doing this for hire doesn't climb at all. Couldn't if his life depended on it. He has a lift, and heavy equipment to move material, and large trucks and trailers to truck it. In some locations climbing is a must, and imo the true pure way to do this work, but if you want to cut trees for money you don't even have to know how to climb (in most locations). Sure you might turn down certain trees you can't get too, but that doesn't matter. You will need to learn to pull a trailer at least, unless you will be working 20 min or less to your dump spot. I'm working out of my truck bed as well, and it sucks.
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    6 Days Ago
    I understand that they might be the only ones you have atm, and I definitely understand the reluctance to rent a lift. I was the same way, and sometimes get the same way from time to time. But with 3 dead trees, each around 500 for the removal, you could knock all 3 out in a day, and finish clean up the next day. So in 2 days you profit 1000 + cleanup and trucking fees (600), so you will 800 a day profit. Not bad for a weekend, and you will get experience renting, using a pull behind lift, and then cutting easy trees from a lift, so the next time you have to do a stone dead tree over houses and stuff, you have the experience to do so. Renting sucks because it eats into your profits, but you have to think about money per hour working. It might not seen that way now, but if you are fairly bidding, and doing good work, you will have more work than you know what to do with soon, and you will need to know what to do and handle that situation again. But remember, and it took me awhile to learn this too, is that material handling is the name of the game. You are like I was/am, learning the tree work part is only part of the game, the rest is the mundane and back breaking part of moving tons of material around without damaging the yard or flower beds. I focused so much on the tree removal part that I wasn't prepared to do the cleanup efficiently. So keep that in mind when you get going here, that you are gonna want to get stuff to do the heavy lifting for you.
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  • Tree09's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    Lol I was starting to wonder hahahahahaha. Yeah sometimes you just gotta do something to keep the job moving, and you find yourself doing stuff where you kinda stop and think to yourself "is this really happening" lol
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  • Tree09's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    I understand that doing that is handy sometimes, but he has several dead ones to remove from my understanding, and standard operating procedure to remove dead trees can't be park pickup in yard, grab pole saw, and hack limbs off. Can it be done, yes. But thinking that is how it's done isn't gonna do him any favors, and if he just rented a lift he would knock several jobs out in a weekend, and make more money faster. I rent a lift all the time if I have a bigger job, several of them to do, or dead crap ones like those he pictured. You lose some money to the rental fee yes, but he will do several jobs in the same time frame, make more per hour, and probably pick up other jobs because he will look like he's done it before.
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  • Tree09's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    It's not too much at all, especially because you are insured (you are insured correct?) While a pole saw will be handy, you need to go to the rental store and rent a lift, and do the job correctly. Standing on the roof of your truck and dropping limbs with a pole saw would not be the professional way to being a tree down, that would be a great way to bust your window out and add some awesome dents. No one does it that way that has a clue about tree work. Rent a pull behind lift, buy a fall arrest harness (you need one, just get and wear one), and drop the trees in a day and get paid. Should cost you around 500 or less to rent the lift for the weekend. You might want to line up some other trees as well, and use the lift on multiple trees to maximize profits.
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    1 Week Ago
    Tree09 replied to a thread The RIP Thread... in Odds and Ends
    I didn't read about it til now, but Charles Bradley died in September :( awesome singer, if you've never heard of him you need to watch the documentary about him. Amazing story, even more amazing musician. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yBdTVmSVq14
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    1 Week Ago
    Yup. It's a quick and dirty way to pull dramatically more than you can in a straight line pull. By tensioning a line and then pulling sideways on it, you use the angle factor leveraging your force on the line. Example: little bitty spar to pull over, not big enough pull to take the time to get out the come along, but more than you can just pull. So you throw the tail end around a tree and tie a bowline. Then you use that to pull your rope through, and you sweat the line, pulling slack out with each lunge, and you just greatly increased the amount you can pull. Another use is if you have a chain come along, you leave it in the pull position, but you can sweat the chain and pull slack with the tail. Dramatically faster than using the handle if the load is light enough (dragging something on the ground, not lifting obviously).
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    1 Week Ago
    Tree09 replied to a thread In The News... in Odds and Ends
    It would be better if I used the voice to type thing, but I don't. The advantage to the phone of course is that you have it on you more. And I'm very glad that you have a computer to run this awesome forum Butch :)
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    Tree09 replied to a thread In The News... in Odds and Ends
    Thanks August :) It takes forever to type that out on my phone lol
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