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Tucker943
04-24-2012, 09:15 PM
Which one, top handles excluded. Your favorite model you have ever used. One saw........?

cory
04-24-2012, 09:32 PM
372.

Why exclude top H's?

372, 200T.

That's all you need to TD 95% of Conn.

Skwerl
04-24-2012, 09:49 PM
I have several favorites, depending on the time frame.

My first 'favorite' was my very first brand new Stihl, a shiny 038 Magnum that cost me $600 plus tax back in the late 80s. I was finally a real tree man, I had a big saw! I got 10 years of great service out of that saw and stupidly traded it away when it needed a fresh set of rings.

My next favorite was my very first ported saw, a Husky 346 with some Dozer Dan magic under the covers. I've been running it about 12 years and it still brings a smile to my face when I slice and dice through limbs like a light saber.

Next favorite was my EHP ported Husky 372. That thing is just wicked. For the first year I had it, it would draw bees and hornets due to the pitch of the exhaust. I finally richened it up enough to slow it down a tad so the bees quit chasing me when I used it.

And finally my current favorite is my Husky 395 ported by Brian Wright. This thing is a beast. I had a ported Stihl MS880 and sold it because the 395 was faster in the big wood. I'm not sure but I think I've had it 4 years or so and it has never missed a beat. I believe it will be the last big saw I'll ever need.

And as far as top handle saws, my herd of 200T's are my daily bread and butter. I bought 4 extras when I knew they were discontinued and dread the day I no longer have one as my primary saw.

Tucker943
04-24-2012, 09:49 PM
I excluded them because I was more curious to know what rear handled saw folks have been thrilled by. Who wants to see 200t written 30 times. That sorta goes without saying for the most part.

MasterBlaster
04-24-2012, 09:49 PM
066 with a 20" bar. :drink:

woodworkingboy
04-24-2012, 09:50 PM
242xp...15,500 rpms when stock. Durable too.

Tucker943
04-24-2012, 09:50 PM
I have to say 372. I've owned a few and they have all been outstanding performers, well balanced, and brutally reliable.

Tucker943
04-24-2012, 09:51 PM
Jay, 15.5k stock?! Crikey!

woodworkingboy
04-24-2012, 09:54 PM
Yes, what attracted me to it in the beginning. Modded now, and awhile since I checked, but 16,000 plus at one point. Only 42ccs, but up to 20" wood it really flies.

CurSedVoyce
04-24-2012, 09:58 PM
Ran my 044 with a 18 bar yesterday... WEeeeeeeeeeeeeee :lol:
My 036 usually sports it but was having issues and I was thinning some oaks and the day was hardly near over.
Favorite saw is a hard one. I love my 036, 044, 046 and 066 equally... They all excel in their place as needed.

mccauleytree
04-24-2012, 10:00 PM
my woods ported 660, I smile every time I run it.

woodworkingboy
04-24-2012, 10:02 PM
034 with a modded 036 top end is a mean motor scooter too, pretty awesome torque. I used to use it more, lesser since I think it has damaged my ears.

CurSedVoyce
04-24-2012, 10:03 PM
WHat?

Tucker943
04-24-2012, 10:11 PM
Ran my 044 with a 18 bar yesterday... WEeeeeeeeeeeeeee :lol:
My 036 usually sports it but was having issues and I was thinning some oaks and the day was hardly near over.
Favorite saw is a hard one. I love my 036, 044, 046 and 066 equally... They all excel in their place as needed.
Does that 044 I sold you run good now?

CurSedVoyce
04-24-2012, 10:13 PM
Still has a little quirk I am trying to figure out, like she leans out from time to time. :dontknow:
New top end and that dual port muffler and she likes to cut :D

Tucker943
04-24-2012, 10:20 PM
I never ran that saw. I acquired it with a burnt top end if I remember correctly.

CurSedVoyce
04-24-2012, 10:25 PM
Top end was cooked from straight fuel... YUP.
I also put a lot of new parts on it during the build to make sure I had no leaks on the carb to cylinder etc. New intake boot, gaskets. New lines... New caps. I might buy a carb just to see if the jets are being screwy. I rebuilt the one that came with it. Put the 046 duel port can on it as well. SHe a tad loud :lol:

HolmenTree
04-24-2012, 11:19 PM
Which one, top handles excluded. Your favorite model you have ever used. One saw........?
My favorite saw I have ever used and still would be today if it was still new is my first Stihl 064 I bought new in the summer of 1986.
This first year 064 was 14.1 lbs [same weight as the 046] with 85cc.

wiley_p
04-24-2012, 11:29 PM
Tough one. I have run a lot of saws. For sure my favorite is the saw I used when i took my 'C' faller test, a 2101 Husky with a velocity stack and a Green weenie. Damn thing pulled chain just fine with a 36" bar. Oddly, then it was normal to double up when falling BIG burning snags back then.

Bodean
04-24-2012, 11:37 PM
044. or 460.

Old Monkey
04-24-2012, 11:46 PM
044. I hiked all over the West with one slung over my shoulder fighting wildland fire.

MasterBlaster
04-24-2012, 11:51 PM
If I was doing that, I'd back off from my 066, for sure!

Too much a gas hawg!

HolmenTree
04-25-2012, 12:00 AM
If I was doing that, I'd back off from my 066, for sure!

Too much a gas hawg!
My 066 Magnum dual exhaust outlet is too, but the longest lasting saw I ever owned.
20 yrs old now and still running strong with the cylinder never being removed.

MasterBlaster
04-25-2012, 12:11 AM
I don't know how old mine is. It doesn't have a decomp valve.

Tucker943
04-25-2012, 12:18 AM
064 is a winning tool for sure. I fondly remember wheeling one for some time with a 24" bar. It was a tough starter, but a truly rugged and powerful saw.

sawinredneck
04-25-2012, 12:28 AM
Before I screwed myself all up, my Freakingstang built BB 046, even now I get a smile running that pig! I can run 3/8's, 32" bar with an 8 pin sprocket and all I have to worry about is if the oilier will keep up with the saw!
Now, I just flat love my home ported Dolmar 5100s with a 20" on it. It's really my new felling saw! I get the 046 out only when I have to because it just flat hurts to run it!

HolmenTree
04-25-2012, 12:30 AM
I don't know how old mine is. It doesn't have a decomp valve.
Butch your 066 would be one of the early ones like mine, no decomp . Mine has the redlight making it one of the very first ones.

Al Smith
04-25-2012, 05:13 AM
Hard to pin just one .The souped 038 Mag ,125 Mac maybe .The one I've spent the most time fiddling with is a Mac 6-10 that will crank on at over 15,000 RPM .

FJR
04-25-2012, 07:29 AM
There are a few shelf sitters that my dad had from way back when that I would love to clean up and see what they can do. There is an 050 and an 075, I may be off on the last number of the model I can't remember. The 075 is heavier than a tank, and the gauge of the chain is bigger than anything I have seen. I wonder if they had some oomph back in the day?

Al, do you have any old Homelites hanging around? There are quite a few of those on the shelf as well. Were they the favorite saw for a lot of folks back in the day?

emr
04-25-2012, 07:32 AM
Homelite Super XL.

Maybe not because it was a great saw but because of sentimental reasons. My dad had a Super XL when I was growing up and he eventually gave it to me. We used it to cut down some Russian Olives when I was a young boy. Those were the first tree removals that I was part of.

I used it to cut up a storm damaged Oak that tipped over when I was a teen. My dad built a deck around the tree and it eventually failed due to root rot. My parents were out of town at the time and so that was my first solo tree removal.

I was up at our cottage all alone one time for some peace and quiet and a big storm went through. It caused a big willow tree by the drive way to fall. Once again I used to saw to clean up the mess. That entire week at the cottage was memorable.

When I started my own company my dad gave me the saw for good. I never used it for work because I would be too embarrassed using a Homelite. The saw doesn't work anymore but it still graces our shop, up on a shelf.

flushcut
04-25-2012, 07:48 AM
Husky 357xp 346, 372, 200t these are my go to saws. I would also like to add a husky 350 just because that poor little thing has gone through hell and back and still runs well for a homeowner saw in a pro environment. Affectionately named Redheaded Step Child.

Burnham
04-25-2012, 10:14 AM
That is a tough one to answer...I'm in agreement with Deva and Darin that the 044 was an absolute beauty of a saw, very hard to beat for all around utility. I like the 460 a lot too, maybe the best modern model (though the 200 rear handle sure shines bright, if in a different category altogether); but Willard rings my chime bringing up the 064...that one always makes me smile when I bring it out, mine sports a 32 inch bar pulling full skip/full chisel chain, and it eats wood with a purple passion.

If I had to pick just one, I think it would have to be the 044.

SouthSoundTree
04-25-2012, 10:17 AM
Good stories, Eric.

stig
04-25-2012, 10:58 AM
My absolute favourite is an 6 foot Disston that my mentor filed, set up and gave to me years and years ago.

Burnham
04-25-2012, 11:13 AM
Sweet!!

Eric, your choice is fully worthy as well.

GASoline71
04-25-2012, 12:28 PM
Any 90cc and above McCulloch or Homelite. That is from the "collector" in me.

For a work saw... hands down a Stihl 044. Out here in the PNW... it canrun from a 20" bar to a 32" bar if needed in softwoods. Pretty versatile saw for almost any need. This excludes the 440, when they got all choked down and restriced.

Gary

woodworkingboy
04-25-2012, 01:08 PM
I have never heard a bad word said about a Stihl 076, other than they are somewhat heavy and take up room in the bed of your truck, being a wide saw. A step down from the 090 in ccs, but just about any bar that the larger saw will adequately power, so will the 076. They have an uncanny ability to still start with a tank of old gas, even some years since the last use. A fine milling saw as well. No decomp on the earlier models, of which I have two. :\: I have worked two powerheads hard on a mill, and nothing ever needed replacement except the trigger on one. They still run fine with no issues after nearly 30 years. Stihl reliability at it's best.

Burnham
04-25-2012, 01:17 PM
For an old beast, throwback to the days when sawyers either gave up or when made strong by the work, Jay is right. I ran an 076 just enough to know I'd have died had it been necessary to manage that massive beast day in and day out.

But favorite saw??? Not even close :).

GASoline71
04-25-2012, 01:23 PM
I ran an 076AV when I was 17 and 18 in the woods. When turns were comin' in with big butts, I used that saw with a 42" bar to "trim" them so they would stack on the trucks better.

That saw kicked my ass everyday I used it. I thnk the "AV" stood for "Always Vibrating". ;)

Gary

Burnham
04-25-2012, 02:02 PM
Damn straight, Gary...the 076 would leave you numb from fingertip to shoulder.

GASoline71
04-25-2012, 02:09 PM
I have a feeling the problems I have with my shoulders, wrists and elbows at my age now are directly linked to that saw.

Gary

Sep
04-25-2012, 03:46 PM
Dolmar 7900 ,its a screamer right out of the box.

brendonv
04-25-2012, 03:54 PM
Stihl 460. That and a 200t and I'd be pretty set for my operation.

emr
04-25-2012, 04:25 PM
Lots of votes for the 460... why that over a 660? Just curious.

Burnham
04-25-2012, 04:29 PM
In stock form, the 660 is more deeply emasculated than the 460. And for most work, the 460 is a better match.

GASoline71
04-25-2012, 04:30 PM
Power to weight. It's easier to pack a 046 that has the weight of an 044 with more power. The 066 is heavier and also drinks more fuel. The 046 was designed with pro timber fallers in mind.

Gary

Burnham
04-25-2012, 04:36 PM
Don't cross the kids up now, Gary...you know an 046 is no more the equivalent of a 460 than a 066 is of a 660 :). Though as I say, the drop off in performance seems less obvious with the former than the latter.

Tucker943
04-25-2012, 04:39 PM
I might switch my beloved saw up to the 288xp Lite.

brendonv
04-25-2012, 04:44 PM
660 is just BIG. I'm a little guy, just can't tug around a 660 much. I've got three 460's, for 4 years that was my big saw. I've done some big trees with it. It just WORKS.

GASoline71
04-25-2012, 04:58 PM
Don't cross the kids up now, Gary...you know an 046 is no more the equivalent of a 460 than a 066 is of a 660 :). Though as I say, the drop off in performance seems less obvious with the former than the latter.

HAHA! I hear ya Burnham. I've never owned a Stihl saw with the new number designations. But I've ran many... and there is a differece in performance from th "0" series saws to the newer ones.

Gary

wiley_p
04-25-2012, 05:10 PM
HAHA! I hear ya Burnham. I've never owned a Stihl saw with the new number designations. But I've ran many... and there is a differece in performance from th "0" series saws to the newer ones.

Gary
I know a place in Woolley that takes care of that issue.

GASoline71
04-25-2012, 05:23 PM
I do too! ;)

Gary

Burnham
04-25-2012, 05:36 PM
It certainly is a correctable problem :D.

Al Smith
04-25-2012, 06:46 PM
Al, do you have any old Homelites hanging around? There are quite a few of those on the shelf as well. Were they the favorite saw for a lot of folks back in the day? I've got 4 ,two old gear drives ,an itty bitty double trigger xl and the 2100S which is in my avatar .That big old saw has some grunt to it .

Actually back in the day it was kind of a toss up between Homelite and McCulloch in these parts as far as popularity .They were the front runners though .

Tucker943
04-25-2012, 06:52 PM
Anyone gonna toot up the shameful 441?

woodworkingboy
04-25-2012, 07:03 PM
Not my all time favorite, but the 076 was the first saw I ever owned, cut my teeth on it, even remember the first tree I used it on....therefore adding some nostalgia. It never occurred to me that vibration was a problem, and still not that way these days when I sometimes use it. It seems to me that the anti-vibration is pretty adequate, has that big rubber mount down below the handle, and solidly built, definitely no rattle trap. Also has a manual oiler in addition to the auto. :P You sure you're not confusing it with the somewhat earlier 075? You guys are pretty tough, so I'm not going to tell you about the first girl that I ever kissed, 'cept her name was Linda....and she was some years older than me. :)

GASoline71
04-25-2012, 07:26 PM
Anyone gonna toot up the shameful 441?

The 441 from what I have heard has turned out to be a great saw. Stihl has worked some of the bugs out.

Gary

Burnham
04-25-2012, 07:29 PM
Stig is a fan, for sure...especially the one with the chip.

Tucker943
04-25-2012, 07:51 PM
I'm not talkin about the new one. I'm talking about the turd they've been making since the early 2000s. I know Stig likes them, which always makes me feel a little guilty about bashing them. Yet for some reason, I use mine a lot.

pigwot
04-25-2012, 08:48 PM
I really enjoyed my old 266XP. It was temperamental at times, but the power to weight was great and it was a very well-balanced saw.
It loved running in the coldest part of the winter. I'd replaced it with a 268Xp and sold it to two fellows in New Jersey - regretted selling that 266.
I liked having the old-style tubing brake handle, as I could clip right to it to hang it from my saddle.

woodworkingboy
04-25-2012, 08:51 PM
It might take two guys to carry it up to the third floor, but in terms of workmanship, the 090G is a fine example of dedicated saw making. Museum quality, I think.

Frax
04-25-2012, 09:18 PM
At my old job the 372XP was the bomb. Great saw for the kind of trees we have here. Another vote also for the rear handle 200. This is an overlooked saw for a lot of useful stuff.

But, I'm hoping my favourite saw is gonna be the one I just bought for myself. Don't laugh.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5040/7114359549_b0051b97e9.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/12661929@N03/7114359549/)
Me and my new toy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/12661929@N03/7114359549/) by altacal (http://www.flickr.com/people/12661929@N03/), on Flickr

Anyone want to hazard a guess which one?

MasterBlaster
04-25-2012, 09:40 PM
066 with a 20" bar. :drink:



The Cheese Stands Alone! :rockon:

CurSedVoyce
04-25-2012, 10:10 PM
Frax, I am going to venture a guess at a MS362.

Frax
04-25-2012, 10:25 PM
Frax, I am going to venture a guess at a MS362.

yuppers!

Done one small removal with it. Happy so far.

CurSedVoyce
04-25-2012, 10:28 PM
Cool.

And posing in your civies as well :)

HolmenTree
04-25-2012, 10:42 PM
The 362 is an excellent choice Nora. A while back I almost bought one to back up my 346 and 372 Huskies,would have fit between them real nice , but instead happened upon a brand new 272XP.

Reddog
04-25-2012, 11:20 PM
Anyone gonna toot up the shameful 441?


I'm not talkin about the new one. I'm talking about the turd they've been making since the early 2000s.


:?

I bought one of the first ones available for the US in 2006, what are these early 2000 ones you are talking about?

arborworks1
04-25-2012, 11:28 PM
I'll vote for the 460. The 200 rear handle is a close 2nd though.

Bushwackertree
04-25-2012, 11:46 PM
41155I'd say my 441, bought it last summer and have had no problems (usually outfitted with the 30" bar). Nora you will love the 362, the only thing I didnt like was the dogs are a little wimpy so I put a full wrap on it with 441 dogs.
Ben

Bermy
04-26-2012, 12:12 AM
Of the saws I have and regularly use (other than the 200t) my favourite has been my little 021. It was the first saw I ever bought, its over 12 yrs now and still going strong. It's light, manouverable and take a beating and keeps on going. It gets used for brush bashing, small tree felling and clearup. Its easier to use than the 260 for an all day thrash of ground bashing up to 10-12" stuff.

Hey Nora, I have a 361 (20") and like it a lot...probably second to the 021

On the block for sale will be the 290 and probably an 026...

sawinredneck
04-26-2012, 12:56 AM
The 362 is an excellent choice Nora. A while back I almost bought one to back up my 346 and 372 Huskies,would have fit between them real nice , but instead happened upon a brand new 272XP.

Odd! I've not been reading or hearing much love for the 362, most seem to think the 361 was a much better saw?

rbtree
04-26-2012, 03:13 AM
I concur on the 362, well, from what I read anyhow...like on AS where there's lots of this kind of talk. In it's class, it appears the 562 is far superior. Though some users report issues with it---related to the new fangled computerized carb, or someething, it does appear to be the first strato saw to be lighter and faster than the saws it has replaced. I have an ehp ported 357 that needs to be put back together, and several saws in the 5 cube class, so have no plans to get a 562 as yet.

My fav saws of the last 10 years are my ported 346's, one by Ed Heard, and one by Jasha Reynolds, the 50 cc NE version. It simply kicks ass! And, though all the ported 372's I've had have been awesome saws, the Dolmar 7900, in stock form, is the best in its class. It walks all over a 460, 440, 044, or 372 if all are stock. Ported, the 372 takes the lead. The Dolmars, though, have some issues, such as anti-vib mount breakage, oil seepage issues, (correctable), bad design starter parts, (also correctable), smallish filter.....no worries, just clean it---( I don't want to go the high rise filter setup--ungainly looking as has some problems, I hear. And the full wrap handlebars are way too pricey.....

Planning to have my 75cc 372 XPG woods ported by one of the new AS builders, maybe Mastermind. Then, from what I hear, it will become my new fav. As it is, with just a dual port muffler, it is a bit underwhelming.

Tucker943
04-26-2012, 07:15 AM
:?

I bought one of the first ones available for the US in 2006, what are these early 2000 ones you are talking about?

My mistake. Do you feel better now?

woodworkingboy
04-26-2012, 09:07 AM
I have a 460, not so much really mine, but a guy left it with me to use and keep. Funny deal, he says I take better care of his saws than he wants to, the 460 and an 038 magnum, so he leaves them with me to use. He might come and get one for a week or two, then will bring it back dirty. I don't mind, an older guy I first worked with, and I like having the saws. The 046 seems like it could use being modded. It cuts good with a 32" bar, but not so much real jump to it I find. Still a fairly new saw as well.

HolmenTree
04-26-2012, 10:45 AM
Odd! I've not been reading or hearing much love for the 362, most seem to think the 361 was a much better saw?
Ha, I can imagine where you got your information:lol:
I remember not that long ago from talk on these forums about any saw with an outboard clutch is a POS, now the latest rave is the outboard clutch Husky 560/562.
In those "saw test" videos when I see how poorly 90% of these guys handled the saw, I honestly can't take their advice........a chainsaw is only as good as it's operator.

My local Stihl dealer loaned me a 362 for the day to try out last fall , it was heavier then it's predecessor the 036 from my memory but the saw had good grunt and was real smooth. Giving it a muffler mod will round it out nicely.

My opinion....excellent saw

stig
04-26-2012, 10:58 AM
We just bought one last month for a real stupid reason.
The faller we had brought in to help out had an old 460 CAT. It seized up and he couldn't afford a new saw. Since we needed his help badly, we said we'd buy a saw and lend it to him.
Since we already have 3 441s, we decided to try out the 362.

After running it for one day, the faller got word from his dealer that his saw hadn't seized up. a piece of the CAT had broken off and got stuck on top of the piston, bending the electrode on the plug and making a minor dent in the piston.

So we bought the 362 for nothing, really.

It is, as we suspected, way too powerless for logging hardwoods, but we have found it to be an EXCELLENT climbing saw.

So Nora should be real happy with hers:D

Willard, I've gone through 4 or 5 of the 036s back in my pulp cutting days. I don't think tke 362 is any heavier, but I may have become stronger with age:lol:

Al Smith
04-26-2012, 10:59 AM
I've got a couple saws myself I'm kind of custodial with .Namely a 281 Husqvarna and an 084 Stihl which belong to Tom .Fact a nice shiny Ms 660 has been residing in my garage all winter taking up space plus an 020T that I gave a new lease in life to .

Now this is not to mention how many weed wackers ,hedge trimmers and busted saws residing hither and yon I've had niether the time nor ambition to resurrect .

HolmenTree
04-26-2012, 11:13 AM
Willard, I've gone through 4 or 5 of the 036s back in my pulp cutting days. I don't think tke 362 is any heavier, but I may have become stronger with age:lol:
Yes my memory of my 034 [and trying out a 036] back in the pulpcutting days has slightly faded...........maybe it was just the bulkiness of the 362 that threw me off.:D

Dave Shepard
04-26-2012, 11:22 AM
394XP I might have to find another somewhere.

squisher
04-26-2012, 11:37 AM
046 imo.

Al Smith
04-26-2012, 11:45 AM
I might mention a 2100 Husqvarna I landed from some guy who blew in and out of here some time ago .One powerfull old thing when it starts .If it doesn't the SOB will wear you out pulling it over

Problem being it sat in some barn on an island off of Washington state and dissolved the fuel line in the gas tank which I've tried every thing I can think of to clean out .The black chit gets by the filter and plugs the screen in the carb. No gas no start .

One more idea which is to put a large McCulloch celulous filter in the thing .Never say die ,where there's a will there's a way .

GASoline71
04-26-2012, 12:21 PM
My mistake. Do you feel better now?

Relax dude... simple observation with a question. :)

Gary

CurSedVoyce
04-26-2012, 12:46 PM
046 imo.

The more I use the 046 the more I like it.
If I could break it down by job, each saw is my favorite for certain scenarios.
I can totally relate to Darin slinging that 044 and having to lug it around in tough terrain, fuel, oil, fire fighting tools, pack. That saw is perfect with power to weight. Logging I can totally see the 046. Larger sticks, 066. Thinning jobs, 044 or 036. Husky 460 ain't a slacker in that environment either. Each saw really has a niche.
Even in removals. My 036 and 044 shine when I need a larger saw aloft. For me, it is hard to think of a favorite saw when my job is somewhat diversified day to day.

stig
04-26-2012, 01:56 PM
Apart from the Disston, I mentioned, I feel much the same way.

Before saws got politically correct, you got more grunt per pound, but the newer saws are so much smoother and user friendly.

I had a 460 as backup saw untill it died last year.
Everytime my 441 needed to go to the shop and I picked the 460 up, I'd think" What a beast", then after an hour, it would be " I can't feel my fingers".
I'm not nostalgic about saws or much else, so I think the 15 or 16 saws I have right now are my favourites. (7-8 actually, since Richard has a share in the company.
I really hate running the saw:lol:)

Reddog
04-26-2012, 01:58 PM
Relax dude... simple observation with a question. :)

Gary

Yes that is all it was. Thought maybe I had missed a model release at some point.

Tucker943
04-26-2012, 05:33 PM
I was relaxed fellas. It was pre coffee. There wasn't an asshole tone to it, like it seems. If I was sharper at the time it would have had a smiley or an "lol" to put joking twist on it. I didn't intend an assholish tone.

squisher
04-26-2012, 09:21 PM
I don't find a 046 to be to bad vibration wise. Certainly the new line of gutless saws are smoother, but man oh man. The power.........it lacks.

stig
04-27-2012, 10:41 AM
The 441 has plenty of power for what I use it for.
Remember, I'm a Euro logger.

I only have 18" bars on those:D

Tucker943
04-27-2012, 02:46 PM
I bet its marvelous with an 18" bar. I might just try it.

Al Smith
04-27-2012, 03:42 PM
Well I'm a midwestern hack and in about 15 minutes I'm going to stump out an oak with an Ms 660 ,36" BTW .;)

stig
04-27-2012, 04:13 PM
Sound about right, Al:D

Tucker943
04-27-2012, 04:30 PM
What do you mean stump out?

Burnham
04-27-2012, 04:33 PM
I'm betting he means ALAP it.

Tucker943
04-27-2012, 05:01 PM
I gotcha now. I've started avoiding using long bars for an ALAP cut. I rarely make those cut anyhow. Most of my stumps are a few inches high. But when I have to, I go for the minimum bar length possible but on a big saw. Just because Id rather unfuq a shorter chain.

flynhigh
04-27-2012, 05:11 PM
046 20" full chisel skip

Burnham
04-27-2012, 05:19 PM
Holler if you want to borrow a bar to match the saw :D.

stig
04-27-2012, 05:49 PM
For sure.
I have about 15 new 18" bars in stock.
Just perfect for that saw.


When do you think the rest of the housers get tired of our bar length banter and kick us out?:lol:

Burnham
04-27-2012, 05:55 PM
Soon, Stig...no doubt very soon, my friend :D.

Skwerl
04-27-2012, 06:26 PM
Best tip I ever got for making an ALAP stump cut was to start on the high side of the stump. I rarely leave a stump more than an inch high or so unless there's a lot of root flare. I'll take the blower and blast around the stump to get most of the dirt off the bark first. But yeah, on dirty stumps I'll use the shortest bar I can and just circle the stump.

Al Smith
04-27-2012, 06:33 PM
Oh that SOB ,stump and 660 .I could not get that saw started fer luv ner money .So cut the buttress roots with an 038 Av and the stump with the 038 Mag and a 32".Got about half way through it then blew the muffler off the mag--beer thirty ,pizz on it ,tomorrow is another day .That danged thing is a tad over 5 foot even with the roots cut off .

squisher
04-27-2012, 08:33 PM
I stipulate in my bids an alap cut without cutting dirt. And I do just that I get them as low as possible without abusing my saws.

Al Smith
04-27-2012, 08:36 PM
I get them up above the dirt or try too .In the woods ,couple inches .Low enough not to hang something up on it .

Bushwackertree
04-27-2012, 11:53 PM
Squish...... just go down to Princess Auto and pick up a poulan for 80 bucks, thats what i did and use it on the really dirty stumps and if a groundie piss'n ya off guess what thats his saw fer the day!!! :lol:

CurSedVoyce
04-27-2012, 11:54 PM
Now that could be painfully funny to watch :lol:

flushcut
04-28-2012, 08:16 AM
That is pretty funny!

wiley_p
04-28-2012, 09:38 AM
ALAP. Ha. I always leave a legal stump. If a homeowner or a salesman or a homeowner wants it lower they better get a stumpgrinder.

stig
04-28-2012, 12:42 PM
Precisely!

Since we offer grinding, if they don't want that, I don't go too low when ALAPing.

They get tired of lookinh at the stump, they are free to call to have it removed.

Burnham
04-28-2012, 01:54 PM
Sounds fair to me :).

SouthSoundTree
04-28-2012, 02:21 PM
I'll give ALAP as another paid service. I'm going to ALAP before grinding anyway. I would rather make the extra on the ALAP with the gear on site, and not need another truck and trailer and driver and dust, and grinding debris. I'd rather be onto the next job.

For me, not having a dedicated SG trailer means having to load and secure for the trip there, then load and secure for the drive home, only to unload it again at home. I need to get a ramp gate put on my trailer rather than the ramps that I use. Too much hassle.

If I can get the extra $50 or whatever to cut it, and sharpen th.e chain. I'm personally happy.

I want to sell my grinder and buy a Wraptor, but that's just me and my situation.

If I had a bigger (more expensive grinder) and did more removals, and had better access for a bigger machine, I'd maybe be more into pulverizing stumps. Until that point, I've got to get my starter rebuilt on my grinder and get it ready for sale. Takes up too much space in my shop, too.

Al Smith
04-28-2012, 07:15 PM
Well stick it outside and cover it with a blue tarp then .

sotc
04-29-2012, 10:32 AM
Favorite....


Favorite to use are certainly 046/460's. I can run them all day with plenty of snort to run long bars even. I cut wood all day yesterday with the one I keep away from my crew and a 28". Only thing I dislike about a bar that short is bending over to cut the little stuff

Jack
04-29-2012, 11:55 AM
Willie, that is a great picture ... big saw, big tree, the big man himself ... something I'd cherish for life. Thanks for sharing that. ;)

http://masterblasterhome.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=41200&d=1335709788

Nice dog, too ... my wife says; "cute".

SouthSoundTree
04-29-2012, 01:05 PM
Well stick it outside and cover it with a blue tarp then .

Wife and neighbors would love that, next to my big log pile that I haven't gotten around to having most of it milled, yet it keeps growing, and the firewood, next to the blue tarped new splitter.

Marc-Antoine
04-29-2012, 09:17 PM
...
When do you think the rest of the housers get tired of our bar length banter and kick us out?:lol:
Not me for sure, your "bar wrestle" is too funny.;)

Al Smith
04-29-2012, 09:22 PM
Well stick it behind the log pile .Out of sight out of mind .:D

sotc
04-29-2012, 10:49 PM
Willie, that is a great picture ... big saw, big tree, the big man himself ... something I'd cherish for life. Thanks for sharing that. ;)

http://masterblasterhome.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=41200&d=1335709788

Nice dog, too ... my wife says; "cute".

Yessir, I do:)

MasterBlaster
04-29-2012, 10:56 PM
And I set the wheels in motion! :rockon:

Cut4fun
05-03-2012, 05:07 PM
Just posting these pics here because I could see where this 036 pro could be some firewood cutters favorite saw. I just finished the rebuild and making a few test cuts set very rich I was impressed. Really like the 12.4lb PHO weight and 62cc grunt.

This is after rebuild and muffler mod pics. It was just barely starting and running when traded in. Cylinder cleaned up nice and I put a new meteor piston with their caber rings.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/034036/finished036002.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/034036/finished036004.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/034036/finished036001.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/034036/finished036003.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/034036/finished036005.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/034036/finished036006.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/034036/finished036007.jpg

Burnham
05-03-2012, 07:33 PM
Looks nice, for sure. I have one of those, stock. Runs pretty good that way, and I bet yours is a demon.

MasterBlaster
05-03-2012, 07:44 PM
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/383564_10151023659923294_613853293_12958653_158331 8325_n.jpg

CurSedVoyce
05-03-2012, 08:16 PM
I am a big fan of my 036... Lot of power in a light package.

woodworkingboy
05-03-2012, 08:44 PM
I've been running an 038 magnum recently, but it fails to impress with anything longer than a 24" bar. Probably because it is still stock. The 034 with the modded 036 pac on it, I'm still loving that for the torque. If such an animal came with a manual, I think the severe kickback potential warnings would take up a couple of pages

ClimbingFool
05-03-2012, 09:11 PM
I've been running an 038 magnum recently, but it fails to impress with anything longer than a 24" bar. Probably because it is still stock. The 034 with the modded 036 pac on it, I'm still loving that for the torque. If such an animal came with a manual, I think the severe kickback potential warnings would take up a couple of pages

Just wish they still made the 36 pro.... Really, I'm kinda getting fed up with Sthil saws... There are becoming bigger and bulkier with less power and cost more and more money.

My favorite saws are my modded 026, run 20" bars on them.

Al Smith
05-03-2012, 10:07 PM
I've been running an 038 magnum recently, but it fails to impress with anything longer than a 24" bar. Probably because it is still stock. With a little bit of a certain rednecks touch that thing will handle a 32" with great gusto .;)

That probabley is the easiest Stihl made to crank extra power out of .It's my favorite of the whole lot next to the 200T .

woodworkingboy
05-04-2012, 08:54 AM
I'm sure you could get some fine results tinkering with the 038, Al. Nice to know the saw has the potential.

GASoline71
05-04-2012, 10:07 AM
The 038 Mag2 was actually offered with an optional "triple port" muffler cover. The only Stihl saw to do so. The 038 Mag2 was the predecessor of the infamous 044 and was one of the preferred fallin' saws for quite some time out in the West side softwoods. The power to weight of the 038 series of saws was pretty good.

Gary

Cut4fun
05-04-2012, 12:25 PM
The 038 Mag2 was actually offered with an optional "triple port" muffler cover.
Gary

IPL shows 6 mufflers offered for 038 sries. Bottom right one appears to be the one Gary is talking about.

Section C Page 5 038 IPL muffler (http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/2062264/038-pl-pdf-july-12-2010-4-47-pm-446k?dn=y&dnad=y)

Tucker943
05-04-2012, 04:18 PM
Just wish they still made the 36 pro.... Really, I'm kinda getting fed up with Sthil saws... There are becoming bigger and bulkier with less power and cost more and more money.

My favorite saws are my modded 026, run 20" bars on them.

Your fixing to hung talkin like modern stihls like that around here. I do agree entirely though!

ClimbingFool
05-04-2012, 11:39 PM
Your fixing to hung talkin like modern stihls like that around here. I do agree entirely though!

Yea ! I know, been a fan of Stihls my whole career, but damn! why should you have to put out another three hundred dollars into the saw just so it has some giddyup! after you just paid eight, nine hundred bucks for it.

woodworkingboy
05-05-2012, 01:03 AM
I would guess that most folks in various countries know nothing about a performance increase that can be done with a saw, so with no other experience to compare to, they think the current slew of equipment is state of the art in terms of power. I know that is almost the total case where I live. I have never worked with anyone else here that uses a modified saw, they don't much seem to be interested for some reason, no familiarity with what is going on within the subject. I think they shy away from it mostly because of the noise increase, and my saws are to blame. :evil:

stig
05-05-2012, 02:46 AM
Yep, I don't want to run noisier saws.
I'd rather live with less power.
I suppose that now that my hearing is screwed up bad enough for me to use hearing aids after running saws my whole life, it doesn't matter anymore.

HolmenTree
05-05-2012, 05:52 AM
Same here Stig. I muffler modded my 372XP a while back and I had to make it stock again. The saw puts out plenty of power without it. Only exception is my little Husky 338XPT top handle which definately needed it, but the saw is only used not that often anyways, same with my 346XP.

But I have to admit Stihl was famous for muffler modding saws right from the factory. I remember when logging the Stihl rep brought me a demo 038 Magnum with a never seen before "dual exhaust" muffler outlet cover. The big problem that happened immediately during use was the 2nd outlet hole melted the plastic chain brake lever.
It was back to the drawing board.:lol:
My 1st 066 Mag had a dual outlet muffler, I actually replaced the 2nd [middle ] muffler screen with a piece of tin to quieten the saw up, way too noisey .
But I could see Stihls thinking. The competition the Husqvarna 394XP that came out a bit earlier was a very strong running saw for the pros to choose from.

Al Smith
05-05-2012, 07:15 AM
It's pretty much is an understood fact that relieving the muffler back pressure is the most simple way to increase the power output of just about any engine .

It really doesn't take that much to either increase the outlet size or in fact install another outlet but keep in mind some shrouding might be neccessary to prevent melting down the rest of the saw if miss directed .

Lot of big ado about what size ,bigger is not always better .If that were the case you could just pull the whole front cover .

Brian AKA TW did some tests and determined about 80-85 percent of the exhaust port size seemed about the optimun size .Anything above that showed very little improvement except they got louder .Noise doesn't do anything except hurt your ears or make dogs howl .

HolmenTree
05-05-2012, 10:15 AM
But I have to admit Stihl was famous for muffler modding saws right from the factory. I remember when logging the Stihl rep brought me a demo 038 Magnum with a never seen before "dual exhaust" muffler outlet cover.
BTW that Stihl rep who brought me that 038 to my chainsaw shed behind my house trailer on that hot summer day in the early 1980s was Steve Meriam.
Steve today is Stihl's manager of national sales and product development at Virgina Beach.8)