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squisher
02-23-2012, 12:51 PM
What are all of y'alls thoughts.

Probably ordering a couple of rigging lines. Time to replace the 1/2" three strand that I use for light duty natural crotch rigging and also looking to replace some larger false crotch ropes. I've had a 1/2" and 5/8"s Samson stable braids in the past.

What's the hot rigging line and where's the best price!

Peter
02-23-2012, 02:37 PM
Dunno about prices your side of the pond but I'm on Yale Polydyne for the heavy rigging these days.

For natural crotch rigging XTC 12 is a good choice.

pete mctree
02-23-2012, 02:40 PM
Xtc 16strand is a step up IMHO for natural crotch rigging & not too expensive either

Skwerl
02-23-2012, 03:22 PM
3 strand is super cheap if you like it, I haven't used it in 15 years and will not put it on my truck. All my hand lines are Samson Arbormaster (http://wesspur.com/rope/arbor-master-blue-streak-rope.html), mostly former climbing lines but since I don't climb any more I don't need 6 lifelines now, do I? :P

Heavier rigging line is Samson Stable Braid (http://wesspur.com/rope/samson-stable-braid.html). I've always had excellent service from Samson ropes. No milking, no twisting, very nice handling ropes with very high working load ratings compared to other ropes of similar size and construction.

Burnham
02-23-2012, 03:35 PM
Both good choices.

brendonv
02-23-2012, 04:00 PM
Old Arbormaster for natural crotch, that does 75% of my stuff.

Stable Braid 1/2" and 5/8" false crotch, and pull lines when it counts. The 5/8" hasn't been out all last year really, but when the bucket gets here that'll change. Go big baby.

3/4" Tenex slings.

brendonv
02-23-2012, 04:00 PM
Old Arbormaster for natural crotch, that does 75% of my stuff.

Stable Braid 1/2" and 5/8" false crotch, and pull lines when it counts. The 5/8" hasn't been out all last year really, but when the bucket gets here that'll change. Go big baby.

3/4" Tenex slings.

treesmith
02-23-2012, 04:34 PM
I still use Arborplex, 1/2" for light natural-crotching, and 5/8" for heavier natural-crotching. I've caught and lowered 1000#+ with the 5/8". For false-crotching, I use Stable Braid, 1/2", 9/16" or 5/8", depending on situation and load. I have a couple of Yale Double Esterlon lines, but I don't care for them. They seem to pick much worse than the Stable Braid. For really heavy rigging, I like PolyDyne, when there's room to use it...it do stretch.

cory
02-23-2012, 04:38 PM
Same as Mr Skwerl

emr
02-23-2012, 05:18 PM
We use 16 strand XTC for natural crotch. We picked up a spool from Baileys I think and it was on sale for $300 something. Great rope for natural crotch. We have Stable Braid, Polydyne, and Husky double braids for false crotch rigging. I have to admit I like All Gears Husky lines the best. Good prices too. Polydyne is a very close second.

CurSedVoyce
02-23-2012, 07:32 PM
Rockin like the Skwerl here too. I have some true blue in that stable as well. I tried the esterlon and found it too milky for my tastes and went back to Stable braid. Have not tried the polydyne yet. It's on my list when I need the shock absorbency and still have room for stretch around targets. All Gear rope costs me more than the tried and true Stable Braid when I add shipping and tax. Why I only have one climb line from them and no rigging lines.
If you have to re think over 10.00 for a 200ft hank of stable braid, your doing it wrong. JM2C

MasterBlaster
02-23-2012, 07:58 PM
Stable Braid for the Win!

tophopper
02-23-2012, 08:36 PM
Ditto for Stable Braid!

Its tough as nails.

emr
02-23-2012, 09:34 PM
For all you guys who are voting SB, have you tried AllGears Husky as well? I am having a hard to putting my finger on why exactly I prefer Husky but I do. I think it's every bit as durable, I believe it's stronger, it's cheaper and I reallylike the hand feel of it once it's broken in.

squisher
02-23-2012, 09:40 PM
I was wondering if anyone was going to bring that line up Eric.

I'm considering trying some out. What can I say...........I'm cheap!

CurSedVoyce
02-23-2012, 09:45 PM
How much for a 200 foot hank of 1/2 husky rope Eric?

MasterBlaster
02-23-2012, 09:48 PM
I've never heard of it.

emr
02-23-2012, 09:51 PM
How much for a 200 foot hank of 1/2 husky rope Eric?

$135 for 200ft

http://www.treestuff.com/store/catalog.asp?category_id=3&item=700

CurSedVoyce
02-23-2012, 09:57 PM
Last time they quoted me about 20.00 shipping plus I pay an additional 8% (Actually 7.75%) tax on it...
135 + 10.46 tax plus 20.00 shipping.... 165.46 give or take a couple bucks....
WesSpur 1/2 Stable braid... 165.00 out the door no tax or shipping on it.
Unless it holds up better... Still a no brainer for me anyway. Higher ABS on the Stable Braid BTW

emr
02-23-2012, 10:03 PM
Treestuff should be free shipping????

MasterBlaster
02-23-2012, 10:16 PM
Super Braid Plus was pretty awesome, but I think they stopped making it. It's what I use for my lanyard.

CurSedVoyce
02-23-2012, 10:17 PM
I'll have to check again.. They weren't not long ago to my neck of the woods.

Tucker943
02-23-2012, 11:44 PM
Stable braid. I've done a few naughty things with stable braid of various sizes and have developed a lot of faith in that rope.

NickfromWI
02-24-2012, 12:49 AM
...have you tried AllGears Husky as well? ...I think it's every bit as durable, I believe it's stronger, it's cheaper and I reallylike the hand feel of it once it's broken in.

This is counter intuitive. Among other things, rope durability comes by adding extra twist to the yarns that makeup the strands of the rope. But the extra twist makes the ABS lower. Manufacturers have to decide if they want a stronger rope or a more durable rope. For a similar ropes to be stronger AND more durable, they have to use better materials...but Husky is CHEAPER (cost wise) than the others, so we'd expect that not to be the case.

I did a comparison of weights vs strengths of the ropes. If you just look at Double Esterlon vs. Stable Braid, you can see what I'm talking about. Yale's rope is a little lighter (less twist in the rope, I assume) and the rope is just a hair stronger. Samson has a slightly heavier, slightly weaker, but assumedly slightly more chafe resistant rope.

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Now look at husky, and I say I have no idea what is going on with that rope. It's CRAZY heavy AND stronger than both. I'm thinking that they just jammed so much fiber in there that is all sharing the load. So maybe that's how they get it stronger AND more chafe resistant.

So anyone that uses Husky- is it a lot stiffer than the other two? If a same diameter rope weighs about 50% MORE, I'd assume that there's so much fiber jammed in there that the rope would be pretty rigid.

Maybe we need to call Tom Daly...

Rope Nerd out.

Burnham
02-24-2012, 09:06 AM
Good post, Nick. Thought provoking.

CurSedVoyce
02-24-2012, 10:10 AM
Interesting indeed.

emr
02-24-2012, 12:30 PM
I think the rope is initially stiffer than Stable Braid but after use I cant tell the difference. Maybe the diameter of the Husky is larger which would account for the added weight. As far as chafe resistance and strength couldn't there be a difference in the way the sheaths are made and a difference in the way the core is made? Don't dbl braids share the load between the core and sheath? If that was the case, each manufacturer could tweek the sheath as well as the core to get very different characteristics.

oscar4883
02-24-2012, 08:55 PM
I like TrueBlue or elcheapo Arborplex for for natural crotch rigging. I never put to much thought into the Husky lines but the one I have has been great. Maybe I am not very particular but I can't tell much if any, difference between it and SB. Takes everything I have thrown at it.

chris_girard
02-25-2012, 10:40 AM
Very interesting info guys.

ABS is good to know and all, but I'm more concerned with how a line performs and to me Stable Braid and Yale's Double Esterlon are my favs.

SouthSoundTree
02-25-2012, 10:45 AM
Peak impact force would be an interesting thing to know as well. This is a spec on rock climbing ropes, tested with a standard situation.

NickfromWI
02-25-2012, 04:29 PM
How is Peak Impact Force different than breaking strength?

NickfromWI
02-25-2012, 04:32 PM
...Maybe the diameter of the Husky is larger which would account for the added weight. As far as chafe resistance and strength couldn't there be a difference in the way the sheaths are made and a difference in the way the core is made? Don't dbl braids share the load between the core and sheath? If that was the case, each manufacturer could tweek the sheath as well as the core to get very different characteristics.

If the husky is larger diameter, then we'd have to call it 11/16 or 3/4, not 5/8.

Yes, in a typical polyester/polyester double braid, the strength is just about perfectly split 50/50 between cover and core. If they threw off that balance TOO much, All Gear would have to come up with some other splice for it that accounted for that.

bonner1040
02-25-2012, 05:42 PM
rope geek go!

http://lamountaineers.org/xRopes.pdf

squisher
03-12-2012, 07:23 PM
Well I picked up a 9/16 SB locally for $130 for 150'. I don't like it being that short but I needed to get a new line and the price seemed ok.

sotc
03-12-2012, 08:24 PM
$60 cheaper than sherrill's

treesmith
03-12-2012, 08:30 PM
The last 9/16" Stable Braid I bought was over $500...but I bought a bit more than 150'. :/: Sounds like a good price, Justin. 150' is the length I normally buy/use.

GrappleYarder
03-12-2012, 09:18 PM
For the Husky bull rope the quoted weight at TreeStuff is 21lb for 150 ft, which works out to the same weight (14lb/100') as the stable braid. The rope is actually manufactured here in Canada not far from where I am. Told them how I was learning to splice and they sold me rope ends at $1/lb...

CurSedVoyce
03-12-2012, 09:20 PM
Not a bad price for that hank at all Squish. The last 9/16ths SB I bought was 199.00 for 200 foot. WesSpur I believe.

MasterBlaster
03-12-2012, 09:31 PM
For the Husky bull rope the quoted weight at TreeStuff is 21lb for 150 ft, which works out to the same weight (14lb/100') as the stable braid. The rope is actually manufactured here in Canada not far from where I am. Told them how I was learning to splice and they sold me rope ends at $1/lb...

Welcome to the TreeHouse, GY!

treesmith
03-12-2012, 09:39 PM
Since I started using 9/16" SB, I seldom get the 5/8" out any more. In fact, I use 1/2" the most these days, and just take smaller pieces. So much easier to work with.

CurSedVoyce
03-12-2012, 09:40 PM
Same here Scott. I only take the 5/8ths off the truck for some real abuse:evil:
1/2 is my favorite and I always have at least 200 feet on hand.

treesmith
03-12-2012, 09:48 PM
I only have one 200' piece of rope on the truck, and I've only used it once, when I had to rig a skyline/speedline on a job. I very seldom need anything over 150'. I'm currently using a remnant I got from Wesspur a couple of years ago that is about 135' long.

CurSedVoyce
03-12-2012, 10:26 PM
I had a 200 foot hank in this little guy. Tickled me when we were lowering one side and then speed lining the other with the same hank of rope. I just tossed the tail of the rope out over the hedge and to the field we had to land stuff in and never pulled any of the other rigging until later when we started moving down the tree. I just set a porty to lock it up in the tree and Rob used a Z rig to tension the line. We finished the zip lining, I hauled the tail back and started rigging more wood out over the patio. :lol:

sotc
03-12-2012, 10:29 PM
I only have a 200' piece of half inch anymore and I save that for zip lines at a kids camp I do in the summers. Down to my last 200' of 5/8 but i think after I recover from another transmission I am going back to 1/2", it is easier to fine tune how many wraps you need to really control a piece and at 10k pounds I really rarely need any more than that

CurSedVoyce
03-12-2012, 10:30 PM
It runs sooooo nicely ....

MasterBlaster
03-12-2012, 10:42 PM
Ropes RAWK!!! :rockon:

squisher
03-14-2012, 07:53 PM
I've got a 1/2" Stable braid that's only lightly burned. I'm moving down from mostly using a 5/8ths to this 9/16ths now, yes probably still overkill but it makes me feel secure.

sotc
03-14-2012, 08:06 PM
I'm going to half because all we used to use was old climbing line and I never broke one of those rigging so I feel confident going to 1/2" stable braid

CurSedVoyce
03-14-2012, 08:13 PM
I was hillbilly yarding some oak out of a creek bed with the pick up for a customer not too long ago with an old hank of 1/2 SB we had retired. AMAZING the abuse it will take :lol: 5 - 800# oak logs jumping over boulders and stumps :lol:

squisher
03-14-2012, 08:34 PM
Yup. I used a old 5/8th to pull a cottonwood over with a big-azz wheel loader. The tree was to rotted to even cut and kind of favored the lay. It did some damage to the rope, visible damage as well as whatever else but the rope held and pulled the tree over. The city guy running the loader was wigged out. Lol.

It was a calculated risk, that tree was brutal. I've seen some hollowed out cottonwoods before but this one was so far gone you could've easily crawled inside of it while it was still standing, one of those ones you look at and can't believe it's standing let alone withstood the last storm and countless before that. Trees never cease to amaze me.

gf beranek
03-14-2012, 08:40 PM
I can honestly say I never broke a rope rigging out a piece of work, but I certainly made up for it in other ways.

squisher
03-14-2012, 08:44 PM
That was the closest I've come. It was a calculated risk, but roughly calculated by me! Lol. There was a tense moment when that big loader grunted and that old line zinged and I started thinking about it snapping and the resulting shock to the tree sending it the opposite way we were pulling it, right onto one of the water systems pump houses on the side of the river. Ugly thought, that luckily never came to pass.

gf beranek
03-14-2012, 08:53 PM
Oh I broke a lot of rigging pulling logs and stumps. Brutal. But no harm done to anything but the rigging itself.

Boy you wouldn't want to be in the way when it snaps! Yeow!

squisher
03-14-2012, 08:56 PM
Cable lines though? I've seen alot of cable let loose. Logging is a whole other game though.

CurSedVoyce
03-14-2012, 09:07 PM
You should have seen that pulley system fly when that pull line on that big pine last month.. HOLY MOLY! Both Rob and I just turned our backs to it heading away from the pullers hoping not to get hit. It all hit the anchor tree and fell to the ground... wild.

SouthSoundTree
03-14-2012, 09:16 PM
How is Peak Impact Force different than breaking strength?

The peak impact force has to do with the elasticity of the rope. With a set load dropped a set distance, an access line would have a very high peak impact force, whereas (or whilst) True Blue's or Dynasorb's (is that what its called) stretchiness would have a lesser peak impact force as it cushions the blow, IIRC. Been a long time since I've looked at rock climbing rope specs (unfortunately, but getting paid to climb trees is fun and profitable).

squisher
03-15-2012, 08:58 PM
$130 was a deal. I went in there today for some new suspenders(yee haw!) and the same rope now in a bag was $190.

MasterBlaster
03-15-2012, 09:04 PM
Crikey.

CurSedVoyce
03-15-2012, 09:06 PM
Dang canukian prices are sumptin!

pantheraba
03-15-2012, 09:46 PM
I ordered this yesterday from Treestuff.com:

1 - Husky 1/2" Bull Rope by All Gear - 150' Length $99.95 $99.95
Availability: In Stock

I have had a 3 strand for a LONG time...it was looking pretty old, dry, very broke-in. Alex and I used it last week to snake some pine logs up into the woods (a drop and leave) and I told him I thought his pull would probably break the line...even told him I kinda hoped it would since I have been thinking I needed to retire that rope anyway (probably 15 years old, occasional use, not like most of you guys).

I was right...it zinged real tight and made a great popping noise...now have TWO old 1/2 inch lines. We'll see how the Husky line does..for rigging, not snaking.

SouthSoundTree
03-15-2012, 10:35 PM
Deal!

treesmith
03-16-2012, 05:04 AM
How does that Husky rope compare to Stable Braid? The pic looks more similar than Yale's Double Esterlon. I like it okay, but it picks more than Stable Braid...the jacket (cover) seems a bit looser. Unless of course, I just haven't broken it in good yet. All in all though, Stable Braid is my current favorite.

Burnham
03-19-2012, 11:08 AM
Stable Braid is hard to beat.

bonner1040
04-16-2012, 07:35 PM
So i am getting a rigging line. I have been using Bills which is some 1/2" noname thing, it works fine but I need my own.

I am debating between these two lines:

Husky 1/2" @ 9500lbs and $100$ for 150' - weighs 12lbs
https://www.treestuff.com/store/catalog.asp?category_id=3&item=700

or

Husky 9/16 A 14,000lbs and $135 for 150' - weighs 18lbs
https://www.treestuff.com/store/catalog.asp?category_id=3&item=1006

Does it make sense to get the 9/16? It might be used as an 'everyday' line, not just a bull rope, or is the 1/2" sufficient? My thinking is get the bigger stuff and when you need it youve got it. I am familiar with 5/8" lines and 1/2" lines, is the 9/16 going to feel really big in my hand?

I am going to order it tonight or tomorrow, along with the telescoping pole saw pole I have been eyeing... My tax return just came through!

emr
04-16-2012, 08:38 PM
I say get the 9/16". I worked for years with that being the biggest rope in our arsenal. 1/2" might be easier to use everyday because of the lower bulk, but you get used to the extra size of 9/16" real fast.

Tucker943
04-16-2012, 08:44 PM
9/16. You'll get more work out of it.

RIVERRAT
04-16-2012, 08:54 PM
Only one rope 1/2"or 9/16" for dropping log & branch bombs? 9/16" hands down!

The same nick or amount of wear on both ropes will always have a greater, negative affect on the smaller one. Decreasing its strength by a greater percentage.

My vote is for Stable Braid. Never heard of this Huscky line before. I have not seen a situation where some new rope would give me any more productivity or speed things up in any way. With out a greater risk.
I am at a point where I really have no desire to try some thing new when it comes to my bull rope & my saddle.

CurSedVoyce
04-16-2012, 09:16 PM
Ask yourself what bollard you will be using with it. 1/2 runs better on a porty and with smaller loads. How big of pieces are you used to taking. Yes 9/16ths will take more abuse. Just some thoughts.

squisher
04-16-2012, 11:27 PM
I've run 5/8ths on a porty a ton and it seems fine. My new 9/16th line runs fine on the port too? I better try out a 1/2" just to see the difference now.

pantheraba
04-17-2012, 12:33 AM
Nick,

Some of this is what I sent you in my PM...I got the 1/2" Husky a few weeks ago. My first use of it was that tree I took down that was felled thru the slot in the deck. I used it at first with a block and it did fine. About half way thru the tree I ran it thru the block AND a natural crotch...the natural was a redirect in a separate part of the tree from the block...it let me change the drop zone for pieces. We probably lowered 15-20 limbs thru the natural crotch, some of them fairly large (maybe 200? pounds -- I know they were heavy). It took the abrasion well.

My son and I just used it again this weekend a lot felling some white pines and poplars, thru a block again..it did well.

My only complaint so far is the hockling. It gets gnarled up a bit, I guess as a result of going thru the portawrap.

I was concerned it would pick a lot, I only have used 3 strand for natural crotching before. When I broke my old 1/2 inch three strand I decided to try the modern double braid rope...so far it is very good.

BUT...if I had to make the choice you present...I have 9/16" Stable Braid that I use for heavier stuff and I like it a lot. It handles very well...but I have only used it thru blocks. I don't know how Stable Braid does with natural crotch. I always use a block when I can; I am sure that has to be better for the rope in the long run.

I am using the Husky 1/2" thru natural crotches as needed if it will be quicker than hanging a block...for $100 I decided to use it however is most efficient.

Anyway, 1/2" Husky or 9'16 Husky??...I'd go 9/16" so you have the strength if you need it.

bonner1040
04-17-2012, 05:16 AM
Well I completely ignored the resounding advice of all of you, not on purpose albeit, but I did. I asked Meg what she thought and she said if I wasnt saying that I ABSOLUTELY needed it, then I likely didnt.

Coupled with being cheap, impatient and and early sleeper/riser by the time I was ready for bed I just ordered the 1/2" stuff .Based on the fact that I have dropped in the past, some of the biggest logs/branches/leads I ever have, on old 3 strand and a retired rock climbing rope I used for rigging I am guessing the 10,000lbs 1/2" will be enough.

This way I guess I can still get a 5/8's line at a later date for when I need a big gun and have a real separation between purposes and lines.

Thanks everyone for chiming in, I wish i had waited a bit because in truthfulness I likely would have bought the 9/16's after reading your thoughts, but I guess I have to stick with my rationalization featured above!

Nick

bonner1040
04-17-2012, 05:17 AM
I've run 5/8ths on a porty a ton and it seems fine. My new 9/16th line runs fine on the port too? I better try out a 1/2" just to see the difference now.

What lines did you end up buying Squish? You were the OP after all.

Skwerl
04-17-2012, 06:10 AM
I despise hockling so I've stuck with Arbormaster 1/2" ropes over the years. I've tried other 1/2" double braids and keep going back to Arbormaster. Something named Husky reminds me of Home Depot house brand stuff (cheap and marginally adequate). I've learned to not cut corners when it comes to the tools with which I make my living. I don't want anything that's cheap and marginally adequate.

squisher
04-17-2012, 02:10 PM
What lines did you end up buying Squish? You were the OP after all.


I bought a 9/16" stable braid for a smoking deal locally. I posted about it somewhere in this thread I think?

emr
04-17-2012, 03:27 PM
I don't think Husky rope is a low quality rope at all. It's not new and it's made by a great company who makes many very good products. It's just made by a smaller company. I know I am able to keep my prices lower than my competition here because I am smaller and more efficient. Same thing with All Gear.

pantheraba
04-17-2012, 04:07 PM
My first impressions of the Husky rope are that it is working well...I have not seen any quick wear effects to worry about, it handled just fine the bit of natural crotching I have done so far...better than I expected.

My only other double braid rope for rigging is 9/16 stable braid and I only use it thru a block so my natural crotch rigging with double braid is almost nil. I plan to use the Husky in natural crotches whenever it seems expedient without worrying about preserving it too much.

I'll post info as I gather it but my treework is sporadic...comes in fits and bits. Maybe some of the more busy folks will try it and get data sooner.

mistahbenn
04-17-2012, 07:20 PM
we just got 150 feet of 1/2 inch forestry pro for light duty NC/Block rigging, and 150 feet 5/8ths Husky for the big stuff :) Taking down two small oaks manana, so will see how they go. The 5/8ths is very pink, so will try and get some pictures.