12,000 pound limb removed from a house.

[bill22]

Hey guys,i shot this video back in august for a guy i was working for.I know skwerl is going to ask,it happened in Narcoossee off Kirby smith rd.The limb fell during a bad storm at 10 that morning.

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[No_Bivy]

12k?

[Mr. Sir]

Balanced it nicely! Good job.

[bill22]

12k?

It was 12k before i removed all the weight,the log that was lifted was 10k and some change by the crane's onboard scale.


Balanced it nicely! Good job.

thanks,it was kinda tricky,we weren't sure what would happen when we picked it up,we were expecting the rest of the Florida room to fall over.

[gf beranek]

That was a good pick. Too bad the damage was already done. for what the structure was worth you could have saved the crane costs and bucked the dang thing into firewood and come out ahead. Still a nice pick though.

[bill22]

Thanks Jerry,Jon quoted a price for removal and a price for a badly needed crown reduction,but the homeowners decided to leave it go,that tree could fail at any time.I didn't video all the rot,right in the crotch union that goes through the trunk to the other side.I figured with a 70t crane it would take me about 8 hours of climbing,again the disadvantage of the video was i didn't show the whole picture.BTW in Florida its quite common for people to ignore pro advice and let the tree fail,they figure insurance will pay out but that's supposed to be changing.

[Bounce]

I recently had a customer decide not to remove a tree that was partially uprooted and hung up in another tree. When it finally fell in a storm this winter, the insurance co denied the claim because they knew that I had recommended removal. Apparently my customer called the ins co to see if they would pay. They said no, but kept a record of the request in case of a future claim. Had my customer never called the ins co to begin with, they would probably have paid the claim. But I hear that laws vary from state to state.

[Cut4fun]

Enter rough measurements and select log type etc and see if this calculator is close?

http://www.woodweb.com/cgi-bin/calculators/calc.pl?calculator=log_weight

[pantheraba]

VERY cool tool...I guessed from what I remembered of the video...live oak, 2" small end, 16" big end, 20 feet long...came up with 1242 pounds. Maybe the thread description is a typo?

Even if I go with a 30" diameter and 30 feet long it is 6455 lbs. What were the actual dimensions?

OK...I went to the vid again...tried 12" small to 24" large end, 30 feet...got 5169 lbs.

[Al Smith]

Well for what it's worth ,this is what a tad over 12,000 pound of red oak looks like . A tad over 4 feet fat end, 3 1/2 skinny end 16 feet long

[Cut4fun]

The one down the road looks like the one Al just posted. It's down right now too.

[squisher]

The few times I've had a crane involved the operator grossly overestimated the weights, better than underestimating I guess.

[bill22]

VERY cool tool...I guessed from what I remembered of the video...live oak, 2" small end, 16" big end, 20 feet long...came up with 1242 pounds. Maybe the thread description is a typo?

Even if I go with a 30" diameter and 30 feet long it is 6455 lbs. What were the actual dimensions?

OK...I went to the vid again...tried 12" small to 24" large end, 30 feet...got 5169 lbs.

Again,the weight is going by the crane's on board scale,but for arguments sake,the log as i cut brush off it was literally squirting m as i cut into it.

[NeTree]

Maybe it liked you? :/:

[Cut4fun]

it was literally squirting me as i .


Maybe it liked you? :/:

Coffee went everywhere :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[NeTree]

Coffee went everywhere

Mission accomplished. :lol:

[Al Smith]

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[CurSedVoyce]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

This was about a 1000# canyon oak nuggy.... That is an 066 wiht a 28 bar. The chunk was a little longer than 4 foot.
It did not squirt me though. Maybe I should have tickled it a little more..... :/:

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Canyon live oak is some dense shat! Heavier than our interior live oak. Really heavy this year with all the water we have been getting.

[MasterBlaster]

Fark yea. :drink:

[bill22]

Yeah live oak is really heavy,the dimensions of the pick off the house were,32"diameter,30'long.

[stig]

How old would a tree like that one be, Stephen?

[CurSedVoyce]

That one was probably under 100 years... More to the tune of about 65-75. Medium growth rate I believe.

Quercus chrysolepis, Same species we climbed and they get centuries old. That is the larger of the two codoms.
This is the stump. Same saw I mentioned for size reference.

[Al Smith]

Live oaks are an interesting species .As much different from our northern reds,whites and burrs as day and night .The few live oaks I've seen grew up maybe 15-20 feet then popped out limbs that went every which way .The danged things could cover an entire small residentual building lot it seemed with the canopy . How in the world they ever found a long enough piece of straight log to ever saw them for ships planking remains a great mystery .

[CurSedVoyce]

The canyon live oaks here were prized for that very reason Al. Long straight branches and trunks.
Couple of the limbs on this ol man are as big as trees. Can you say 60 foot limb walk?? :lol:

It is also why here are so few of the big ones left ;)

[NeTree]

What a fun tree to play in. :)

[CurSedVoyce]

We need to play in that one again.. Absolutely !

[bill22]

I actually don't care too much for oaks,especially pruning,some of the big ones are a pita to spur less climb.

[bill22]

I actually don't care too much for oaks,especially pruning,some of the big ones are a pita to spur less climb.Good thing 90 percent of my work is removing laurel oaks in winter park.

[stig]

That one was a piece of cake to climb, pure fun.:)

I'm the guy in the left side of the picture.

Back in the days when we had a fishing fleet made out of wood and cut lots of curved logs for the shipwrights, a tree like that would have been worth a small fortune.

[CurSedVoyce]

I see some pretty straight logs here all the time.. Sad they will never fall into a shipwrights or millers hands..
Destined for the wood stove is usually the fate..
Even a log like this one I would have rather had it go to a mill.

[sotc]

Sell em, I gotta guy i'm dealing with in Sacramento thats probably gonna buy my cherry, elm and walnut logs.

[CurSedVoyce]

If he works out Willie... Let me know. I have never had any luck selling logs.
You have to deliver?

[Al Smith]

Even a log like this one I would have rather had it go to a mill. The exact reason I'm building a mill .Good grief I've cut up a kings ransom in good lumber logs in my life .It's really a shame thinking back on it .

[sotc]

For a dollar a mile round trip8)

[woodworkingboy]

I have a hard time understanding why logs don't sell easier for you guys, unless you aren't getting the word out when they are available. I'd recommend contacting any woodworking associations in your area, and they often have a newsletter that goes out to members. If there are no mills in the vicinity and woodworkers can't slab it themselves, that is one problem. Still, woodworkers are always looking for material, that is a given. I used to purchase from a guy near Sacramento quite regularly.

[Al Smith]

In this area which is not logging country the mills will give you less than you can get for firewood .They know they are only going to deal with a land owner once in a life time but they still sell that oak for 3 bucks a board foot .

The smaller mills might pony up a dime ,15 cents a board foot in the log .They get around a buck,green rough sawn .

The only advantage with that as far as the trimmers go is that the mills will haul off the logs thus saving them the labor .

[CurSedVoyce]

Part of the problem Jay is that people view fire wood like gold up here. Most mills won't pay me much more than firewood prices and only if I will deliver it at my expense. Most people keep their wood for fire wood. Best sometimes I can offer is to trade processed firewood for a log. Often I am asked if I will remove a tree for the fire wood or logs for milling. No money in it.
Now if the guy in Sacramento pays by the mile for a minimum load... It is worth looking into.

[woodworkingboy]

I'm thinking that you don't want to sell to mills, but to the users of the wood directly. Guys I used to know who did that, even if they didn't have an immediate buyer, they would keep the logs in a way to prevent rotting, as more likely than not, a purchaser would eventually come along. Projects...commissions arise, someone suddenly is looking for material. The nice thing about it is that you are only making a more valuable commodity by keeping logs, they lose some of their initial moisture and what's inside becomes more stable when someone does mill it. Charging more money is reasonable for the dryer wood, people will generally understand that.. The next step is milling and then drying yourself before selling, that really ups the price that folks will pay. I dunno, it has always seemed to me that dealing with logs is one of the least labor intensive ways to make bread, assuming that you have the ability to move them and obviously the space to keep them. Milling definitely adds labor, but the return should be worth it. Good furniture makers, for example, can get a lot of money for their work, so paying a fair price for logs should certainly be in their budget. Material costs are minimal when compared to what the labor should bring in, at least for good craftsmen. They know what they are getting with wood, it doesn't make a lot of sense for them to haggle about price. Like anything else, just got to find your market.

[CurSedVoyce]

I would love a mill.. just not in my cards for some years yet. I would do mostly for me and the house projects. Then sell some.
Just to help off set the cost of the mill... No high expectations.

[woodworkingboy]

I always milled my logs myself when in Cali, so I don't know what a mill charges out there. Here, mills are everywhere, or at least were, up to a few years ago. A lot of people will purchase logs, from a faller or at an auction, and have them transported to a mill to be cut to their specifications, then dry it themselves for their own use. All in all the price for this ends up being considerably cheaper than if someone wanted to go buy milled material that was already dry, and sold by the end of the chain retailer. Finding a mill that you could haul to for someone who wanted your logs, that gave you/them a fair milling charge, would be helpful. Most woodworkers would like to take advantage of such a service, I believe. It might more be a regional thing, but I'm often getting the impression that a lot of people in the treehouse under value the logs they get, a result of not knowing that there is a market for them, or much wanting to bother about it. Good wood is like gold to me.

[Al Smith]

Well Jay I wish it weren't half way round the world because you would just go bonkers at some of the stuff I have laying yet in logs .The ones I tripped were all within a foot 18" of the ground thus getting the figure that comes in the first 6 or so feet of the log . Most of the red oak,second log up is veneer grade . I have a beauty of a white oak in the pile that could be a gold mine to a furniture builder .

The cherry I already have milled has nice figure bottom portion and the grain in top is straight as an arrow .The ash is both straight and some has knots tighter that a bulls butt at fly time which exibits some character that many including myself find desirable .

This area is not a lumber/timber area but the hardwoods are highly rated . Good soil,good growing conditions setting on a limestone sub strata

[woodworkingboy]

I'd bring you beer and go bonkers, Al.

I figure that if you are going to be making something out of wood, with some exceptions, since the time factor doesn't much change, might as well use some good material.

[Strikermike]

I like that Windsor

[MasterBlaster]

Those chairs would be so much more (assuming they are your builds?) awesome if you were sitting in them, Jay.

[Treepreacher51]

Pretty.

How many hrs do you have in the top one?

[SoonerFan]

I really admire your work Jay. Looks great!

[stig]

Beautiful!!
Is the top one Zelkova?

[MasterBlaster]

Ya'll are really jacking the boy's thread, you know.

[bill22]

Its cool man,i enjoy seeing pics of woodworking and have actually thought about buying a sawmill.

[CurSedVoyce]

Hard to take a branch like that off a house and knot think of a saw mill....

[bill22]

Well what started me thinking of saw milling is i do primarily removals,even though i freelance climb,the 2 guys who give me 75 percent of my work just dump their logs to either rot or become firewood,and I've always wanted to make a log cabin.A sawmill would come in handy for making beams and various dimensions of lumber i might need.

[MasterBlaster]

If the OP doesn't GAS, neither do I.

[bill22]

Not sure i follow.

[Al Smith]

Translation ,Butch often types using internet forum acronyms .He was reminding us we were veering of topic rather badly ,we often do that .

He was more or less saying if the orginater of this thread didn't mind neither would he .Well,that's kinds ,sorta what he meant---I think ---:?-

[MasterBlaster]

If the OP doesn't GAS, neither do I.

If the original poster doesn't give a shit, neither do I.

[woodworkingboy]

Those chairs would be so much more (assuming they are your builds?) awesome if you were sitting in them, Jay.

Thanks, I'll take that as a compliment. :) Actually, good designed chairs do look better, or at least more complete, when being used, and people look better too, in nice chairs, at least to my eye. At an exhibition, I try to tell people how nice they look when sitting in a chair, some body types fit a design better than others, and vice versa. I'm really being honest, and folks can't see themselves....maybe I should get a big mirror or something, but it seems kind of hokey. When I say that, I often get the he's giving a sales pitch look. Taking a photo and immediately showing them is one possibility that occurs. Who knows if it might help sales?

Some time in that rocker, Jesse. Kind of a pita to build, so I generally take my time and work at a comfortable pace. I guess about three weeks or so. Maybe sometimes a bit longer, I enjoy working at a pace that keeps me in a groove where mistakes don't happen. Lots of time in the finish, many many coats of oil rubbed in and polished. I like a shine! In comparison, I can build the lower chair in four-five days, mostly lathe work, and I've done so many that I don't have to think about it.

Some unusual Walnut in the rocker, Stig. Air dried Black Walnut sure is nice. Zelkova would be an interesting choice for that, a real showpiece, but make a heavier chair. Folks say they like lighter for when they are vacuuming and such.

Sorry for the derail, Bill.

[MasterBlaster]

I like it!

http://i52.tinypic.com/2lmmiwl.jpg

[brendonv]

I need two for my front porch!

[MasterBlaster]

Sacrilege!

[woodworkingboy]

I like it!

I like it too! Thanks MB, I can use that. What software do you use to do that?

For a porch that lets in some rain, Red cedar would last. They might blow away in a good wind though.

[Al Smith]

Cedar is a very beutifull wood if you can somehow preserve it from the effects of weather and sunlight .The folks who use it as siding and trim on houses and use no means to preserve it ,in short order have a high priced house that resembles a 150 year old dairy barn .Looks like dog chit in my opinion .

On the reverse old cedar chests display some character and they are often well over 100 years old .

[woodworkingboy]

Cedar seems to be one of the rarer woods that way, unlike most, it is prettier new than when aged. I think more a tendency of some softwoods than hard. They lose that initial crispness of color as they age, get sort of drab. If you kept polishing them it would probably help, at least in interior use. Hardwoods on the other hand take on depth and patina.

[Al Smith]

I noticed that on my oak Jay . It might have something to do with the tannin content. ? The hickory too takes on the rich color of pecan but I haven't planed any to see how deep it goes .

[woodworkingboy]

Probably not very deep, Al, one or two shavings and you are back to how it looked in the beginning after it dried initially. Sometimes with wood that has been used hard, like table tops, it is a debate whether to resurface them or not. You can easily get back to nice and clean with no scars, but the effects of time also give something valuable that you can't get any other way.

[Burnham]

Patina is time and love, expressed in materials. Better than new in every way. Just look at my favorite woman and partner of more than 3 decades.
:)

[Cut4fun]

I have a bunch of red ceder outdoor chairs, love-seats, sliders, doubles, table with doubles, swings etc. If you dont clean and put water seal on every few years the red ceder turns grey. Put a little cleaner, wash and it's right back again.

[Bermy]

Patina is time and love, expressed in materials. Better than new in every way. Just look at my favorite woman and partner of more than 3 decades.
:)

Aaawwww! What a charmer! :)

[Burnham]

Takes one to know one, Fiona :).

So how's Oz treating you and your man these days?

[Bermy]

Just great Burnham thanks!
Aside from getting used to proper seasons and temperate trees and God knows how many kinds of Eucalyptus...

Here's a pic of our neighbour's log truck, and the neighbour across the road is a commercial faller, and the guy a few streets over is a professional chainsaw carver, and, and...

[CurSedVoyce]

That rig looks right out of Mad Max :lol:

Very different than what you are used to on your island eh Fiona? More tree people :)

[MasterBlaster]

Very nice!!!

[sotc]

Serious cow catcher on that rig! Lotta critters on the roads there?

[Old Monkey]

Nothing like subtlety.

[CurSedVoyce]

Epic .....

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[Bermy]

Serious cow catcher on that rig! Lotta critters on the roads there?

Loads!!! Possums, wallabies and kangaroos, roos would be the main problem in the bush, some of those buggers are BIG!
Even on the main road between our village and the next towns there is roadkill all over the place.
Mind you his rig is a bit of a showpiece, he wins prizes at the shows...